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#115 - Lord Jonathan Sumption - Can Democracy Survive the Britain We’re Becoming? Lord Jonathan Sumption is a British judge and historian, who served as a Supreme Court Justice from 2012 – 2018. He is the author of The Challenges of Democracy And The Rule Of Law, the Sunday Times bestseller Trials of the State, Law in a Time of Cri
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Lord Jonathan Sumption is a British judge and historian, who served as a Supreme Court Justice from 2012 – 2018. He is the author of The Challenges of Democracy And The Rule Of Law, the Sunday Times bestseller Trials of the State, Law in a Time of Crisis, and Divided Houses, which won the 2009 Wolfson History Prize.
Across Britain and the wider West democratic decision-making is increasingly being hollowed out by courts, by bureaucracies, by delayed elections, by restrictions on speech, and by a political class that often appears unwilling to govern according to the public will.
In this episode of Thinking Class, Lord Jonathan Sumption examines whether democracy and the rule of law can survive the conditions we are now creating.
We explore:
What democracy and the rule of law actually are, and how historically fragile they’ve always beenBritain’s legal inheritance and the health of the Rule of LawWhether freedom of expression is a precondition for democratic legitimacyThe effects of mass immigration, sectarian politics, and demographic change on democratic consentWhether universal suffrage can function without a shared political communityAnd whether the greatest threat to democracy comes from our institutions or from ourselvesThis is a sober, historically grounded conversation about law, legitimacy, and the future of self-government in Britain and the West.
About Thinking Class:
Thinking Class is a long-form interview podcast exploring the cultural, historical, and moral forces shaping England, Britain, and the wider Western world.
Hosted by John Gillam, the show features serious conversations with historians, academics, and independent thinkers.
Thinking Class is concerned with discovering long-term patterns over headlines and hot-takes. Expect historically-grounded analysis on matters of national character, institutions, demography, belief, and political legitimacy.
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Release Date: 13/02/2026, 16:00:00
